Trader Talk with Bob Pisani


  Thursday, 27 Mar 2008 | 4:16 PM ET

Traders Want To Believe Worst Is About Over, But...

Posted By: Bob Pisani

Despite strong economic reports early on (both the weekly jobless claims and Personal Consumption Expenditures came in below expectations), the major indices ended on their lows for the day and the week.

Oil hit $108 intraday, but shortly after that energy stocks showed signs of exhaustion as even market leaders like Apache ended in the red for the day.

Financial stocks have sold off two days in a row and given up a part of last week's gains; Lehman and Merrill Lynch were weak on reports of strong option activity--Lehman told reporters midday that rumors about the company were "totally unfounded."

Many traders have told me that people badly want to believe we are in the 8th inning of this whole thing but we don seem to be. I think until we see these first quarter earnings, between April 10 and 20th, we are likely to be in a range-bound environment.

Techs, which also were strong last week, were down today on some disappointment with Oracle's revenues.

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  Thursday, 27 Mar 2008 | 12:08 PM ET

The Weak Link Mid-Day? Financials

Posted By: Bob Pisani

1) Financials are again the weak link today, as all the gains of last week are now essentially gone.

Weakness in Lehman, as well as a continuing campaign by Oppenheimer analyst Meredith Whitney to take down bank estimates (today she did it for Merrill and UBS, but she has already cut estimates for most other banks earlier in the week) are weighing on financials.

But the big debate on the Street is not about bank earnings, it's about bank DIVIDENDS. The Treasury Department is clearly signalling that banks should cut dividends to preserve capital, but with huge dividend yields (Wachovia at 9.1 percent, National City 7.3 percent, Comerica 7.1 percent, KeyCorp at 6.6 percent--you get the point), that is not an attractive option for many banks.

There are obvious reasons cutting the dividend may be the preferred way to increase capital: there's less risk of having to raise common equity at depressed levels, and it's cheaper than raising debt.

On the other hand, there is fear that stock prices will drop even more as dividend-sensitive investors flee, and some funds that specialize in high-yield investments may even have to sell the stocks, depending on how severe the cuts are.

2) How bad is the current home price decline? Not as bad as it has been in the past.

According to UBS, home prices have declined nationwide about 10 percent, but during the Great Depression, it was down 28.5 percent. The big question is, have we hit bottom? Looking at two severe regional housing recessions (one in the "oil-patch" states in the mid-'80s and the other in California and the Northeast from the late '80s to the early '90s), it took five years or more to bottom. UBS says that the banks most likely to cut dividends include National City, Washington Mutual , and Regions Financial .

3) Is the run of money coming out of mutual funds and ETFs finally ending? $9.3 billion went into all equity funds in the last three days, the most three-day inflow in a long time (at least since October, according to Charles Lieberman at TrimTabs).

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  Thursday, 27 Mar 2008 | 9:05 AM ET

U.S. Treasurys Not Such A Hot Commodity Any More?

Posted By: Bob Pisani

Futures jumped about 6 points as both weekly jobless claims and Personal Consumption Expenditures (PCE, an indicator of the average increase in prices for domestic consumption), came in a bit below expectations. The dollar rallied on the PCE news (lower inflation is dollar-positive).

Start of a trend? South Korea's National Pension Service says it will no longer buy U.S. Treasurys; they cite falling yields and a desire to broaden their investments. They are the world's fifth largest pension fund, with $220 b in asets; they hold $14 b in U.S. government debt. It's not the size of their holdings (relatively small compared to the nearly $5 trillion in U.S. debt), the concern is that it may be the start of a trend.

The Fed's Term Lending Facility auction debuts today. Wall Street will have a chance to exchange mortgage assets for up to $75 b of government securities.

The Chicago Mercantile Exchange is raising corn and soybean margins by 50 percent and 30 percent respectively; this should chase out at least some of the speculative interest in these grains, though it will also hurt hedgers as well.


1) Conagrabeat for its third quarter and guided earnings above estimates for the remainder of the year, 2009 guidance of "at least $1.55" is close to analyst estimates of $1.61. up 8 percent pre-open. They are selling their commodity trading operations.

2) Home builder Lennarreported a loss, though it was less than expected. Revenues were more than 60 percent below last year. CEO Stuart Miller said, "the pace of overall housing industry growth is exceeding absorption at the current time."

3) Williams-Sonoma earnings were slightly above expectations, but their guidance was very weak; down 6 percent pre-open. The company says "we are expecting the home furnishings industry to be increasingly challenging in 2008."

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  Wednesday, 26 Mar 2008 | 3:51 PM ET

Housing's Silver Lining: Affordability and Interest Rates

Posted By: Bob Pisani

A silver lining in housing? The New Home Sales was a disappointment this morning . Even though sales were a bit higher than expected, the inventory of unsold homes remained unchanged with Jan at 9.8 months supply, a bit disappointing.

But there is not all bad news out there in housing. Consider two points

1) The National Association of Realtor's Housing Affordability Index has been quietly moving up for months, since bottoming in July of last year. Thanks to a decline in mortgage rates and prices, the composite index stands at 130.3, which means that a family earning the median family income had 130.3 percent of the income necessary to qualify for a conventional loan covering 80 percent of a median-priced existing single-family home in January 2007. It was as low as 103.6 last July, and has been going up every month since then. The next release is tomorrow, for February; given the rates went down in February, I anticipate it will drop again.

2) Speaking of mortgage rates: they have dropped to their lowest levels since early February. As a result, refinancing applications rose 82 percent and purchases rose 10.6 percent, both to the highest levels also since early February.

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  Wednesday, 26 Mar 2008 | 1:51 PM ET

Stock Reversal Week: Financials Down, Commodities Up

Posted By: Bob Pisani

Well, you knew it would happen--"sell the rally," except this time it's come a few days after the rally. The dollar is getting hit again as the ECB has make it clear they are unlikely to lower interest rates.

So what was working last week (financials, builders), is reversing this week, and last week's debacle (commodity stocks) is moving up this week.

Of course, sell on the rally always starts with the weakest links--financials, many of which are down 3-6 percent today. Citi down 5 percent as Meredith Whitney at Oppenheimer took her numbers down.

As for home builders,

New Home Sales was a bit better than expected

(590,000 vs. 570,000), but not much. Still the lowest reading since March 1995. The inventory of unsold homes remained unchanged with Jan at 9.8 months supply, a bit disappointing.

And retailers--which also had a great week last week--are also selling, with Nordstrom , JC Penney , and Kohls down 3-5 percent.

Energy stocks have been sneaking up all week and accelerated this morning as the weekly oil inventories showed less of a buildup of crude than expected.

Not surprisingly, with oil approaching $105 airlines are getting killed again.

Any good news, Bob? Well, we are approaching the end of the quarter. There is considerable chatter that funds have raised a significant amount of cash for fear of redemptions. There is some evidence that redemptions to date may not have been as strong as some feared. If that is the case, it means there is a significant amount of cash on the sidelines that could come in after the quarter ends, providing traders believe there is value in the market.

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  Tuesday, 25 Mar 2008 | 4:39 PM ET

Markets: The Positives For The Day And Clear Channel "Drop"

Posted By: Bob Pisani

Though the indices were flat today, there were twice as many up stocks as down stocks, and despite a poor consumer sentiment number in the morningand a weak dollar there were several positives.

1) Dow, S&P at highs for month. In fact, the Dow and the NASDAQ are above their 50 day moving averages for the first time this year.

2) Techs trading better. The old "momentum" tech stocks like Appleand RIMM are trading actively to the upside. Oracle reporting tomorrow big move last 2 days

3) No "sell on the rally" for financials, builders. Financials and home builders, after a terrific rally last week, are holding their gains.

After hours: Clear Channel down 20 percent on a Wall Street Journal report that the LBO is in trouble as private equity firms are in a battle with their banks over the credit terms, and the deal may collapse.

UPDATE: Lots of discussion among traders about the pre-closing action in Clear Channel. Right after the market closed, the Wall Street Journal reported that the LBO was is in trouble as private equity firms are in a battle with their banks over the credit terms, and the deal may collapse.

Fair enough, but what happened in the last half hour of trading? Stock goes from $33.70 at 3:30 ET to $32.56, down 5.5 percent on the day. And options? Over 46,000 contracts traded in the April 30 Put (which are now in the money); only 9,000 traded the previous day.

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  Tuesday, 25 Mar 2008 | 2:06 PM ET

Markets Just Some 240 Points Away From "Different Game"

Posted By: Bob Pisani

Stocks mostly sideways today, some disappointment that the dollar is getting hit and commodities are coming back.

Still, we are at the highs of the day, highs for the month, and if we can just squeeze another 200 points or so from the Dow on the upside--and maybe 40 points from the S&P 500--we will bust above the February highs. Then, boom…the game will be very different. Sentiment has definitely improved, though worries on the economy remain.

FedHeads everywhere! Look at this list of Fed speakers for the rest of the week—I’m already fatigued!

Chicago FRB President Evans, Wednesday noon,
Dallas FRB President Fisher, Wednesday, 1:30 pm, FOMC voter,
Minneapolis FRB President Stern, Thursday, 8am, voter
Gov Krozner, Thursday 8:15 am, voter,
Cleveland FRB President Pianalto, Thursday, noon,.
Atlanta FRB President Lockhart, Thursday, 12:15 pm, non voter,
Philadelphia FRB President Plosser, Friday, 5:20 am, voter, arguably the biggest hawk
SF FRB President Yellen, Monday, noon, non voter

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  Tuesday, 25 Mar 2008 | 9:27 AM ET

Markets: Are Estimates For Refiners Too High?

Posted By: Bob Pisani

Bonds are a bit stronger, dollar a bit weaker this morning, though stocks are still up. The S&P/CaseShiller Home Price index of 20 large metropolitan markets fell 10.7 percent year over year in January, about in line with expectations.

Monsanto has just increased its fiscal 2009 guidance to $3.15-$3.25 vs. prior guidance of $2.70-$2.80. Up 9 percent pre-open. The seed business is exceptionally strong (gross profits should be up 20 percent) as are Roundup sales.

Some rather weak guidance from two giants in their respective fields.

Valero, the largest gasoline refiner in the U.S., shocked the Street by providing guidance ($0.10 to $0.35) for the first quarter that is way below analyst estimates ($0.98).They blame lower margins and "operating and equipment issues" (in plain English: unplanned maintenance) at a number of refineries. Down 3 percent pre-open.

It's not just the maintenance issues that's a problem for refiners. Here's what Oppenheimer had to say: "Gasoline inventories are at a 15-year high and, given the state of the economy and low consumer confidence, the driving season is likely to be a bust, at best, compared with last year or the previous three years."

Bottom line: refining is a margin business--but refiners are having a hard time passing on the higher prices they are paying for oil to consumers who are already under pressure.

If Street estimates for Valero are too high, isn't it likely that estimates for other refiners might be too high as well?

Phillips Van Heusen, the number one shirt maker in the U.S., provided full year guidance of $3.30-$3.40, below previous guidance was $3.55-$3.65. They're not just a shirt maker--they are the manufacturer for big brand names like Calvin Klein, Bass, and IZOD, and other licensed names like DKNY, Kenneth Cole, and Geoffrey Beene.

Retailers seem to be placing very conservative orders. International business is about 25 percent of sales, so the company is still very dependent on the U.S. market.

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  Monday, 24 Mar 2008 | 4:29 PM ET

Market Debate: Is The Tide Beginning To Turn?

Posted By: Bob Pisani

We had a broad rally, but stocks ended off the highs. That's fine. The big debate is whether or not we are at some kind of inflection point. Is the next big trade "go long techs & financials, short commodities and bonds?" It's too early to tell, but that is where the debate is centered.

There have been some important technical breakouts in the past few days that is fueling this speculation:

Dow, S&P: highs for the month
Banks: highs for the month
Home builders: 6 month highs
Gold: 5 week lows

We need a few more days to sort this out. Specifically, we need to get past the end of the quarter, which may be distorting the trends due to profit-taking and the usual hysteria. Actually, there is a greater hysteria level than usual, due to the fact that both shorts and longs have been decimated this quarter, and many are fearful of significant redemptions once clients see their quarterly returns (S&P down 8.3 percent YTD).

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  Monday, 24 Mar 2008 | 1:48 PM ET

"Last Great Trade Cycle": Is It Over And What Lies Ahead?

Posted By: Bob Pisani

Is the "last great trade" of this cycle over? In the third quarter, the trade that worked was "short financials, go long tech." Then in the first quarter, the trade was "short the dollar, go long commodities," and "short stocks, go long bonds." These last two trades are now showing signs of unwinding.

Last week the dollar had one of its biggest rallies--and commodities one of its biggest declines--in years, and although commodities have stabilized today the psychological damage has been done.

Today, bonds are having one of the worst days in a long time as the "flight to safety" trade seems to be unwinding. The VIX, a measure of the cost of buying puts and calls for the S&P 500 and often used as a fear indicator, is at its lowest level in nearly a month.

Some will argue that the unwinding of these two trades are simply end-of-the-quarter profit taking. There may be something to this; if that is the case, then the dollar will resume its descent, and bonds and commodities will rise again in a few days. But many are betting this is unlikely, and there is a new trade emerging: "long tech and financials, short commodities and bonds."

Another trend to watch: home builders. No other group has been so shorted, so hated, and no other group has had so many trying to pick a bottom (since November--unsuccessfully!).

But something is happening here. Existing home sales for February showed the first monthly rise in a year. Inventories are still high at a 9.6 month supply, but it's the lowest since August. And prices continue to fall. Median prices are down 8.2 percent year over year. Higher sales, lower prices: that is what is needed to clean out the inventory.

As a result, stocks like Ryland and Toll are breaking out to their highest levels in six months.

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