Ratigan: What are your interpretations of the bailout?
Kruszewski: I think of it as a restructuring not a bailout. Everyone was involved in this from mortgage brokers to people who bought homes with really no credit. So (I would say) we need a restructuring of our financial system. And on the political front I’m from Missouri, the Show Me state and we need to see a bill here. Otherwise we can write down all the Congressmen and Senators names because they’ll go down in history like Smoot-Hawley did in the Depression. This has to be done and the politics has to be put aside.
Ratigan: Do you see opportunity with so many competitors now fallen?
Kruszewski: It’s difficult with what’s happened with our industry but it’s simply excess leverage. And as others deleverage, their business models will move back to the business models that we have employed for years and years and it’s not that much leverage. That coupled with the fact that most of these financial institutions are going to be bank holding companies and you’re not going to have the 30-1 leverage any longer. For smaller firms like us that means we’ll be better able to compete.
Ratigan: How high do you lever?
Kruszewski: Three to one. And we’ve averaged 18% return on equity. The high service business model works. You don’t need to have all the leverage.
Seymour: Does it limit you in underwriting new deal flow?
Kruszewski: You need capital but you don’t need to put it on your balance sheet to underwrite new deal flow. And you don’t need to put it on your balance sheet to do M&A and you don’t need it to provide research and help clients. This business is going back to the future. We got away from regulation. The holding companies were able to put on a lot of leverage whether it be AIG or the large investment banks. And we got away, as an industry, from what we've done historically which is provide advice and provide service. We’ll have less proprietary trading and more of the traditional investment banking and that model works. I'm a testament to that.
Ratigan: What’s the future?
Kruszewski: Wall Street had a big carry trade and they levered up and they added a lot of people. And our industry is going to shrink because you’re not going to have that leverage anymore. But if you look at a lot of the firms and you take away the leverage you will see very good business models.
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