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  Tuesday, 19 Jul 2016 | 1:47 PM ET

Q2 earnings: Maybe not so bad after all?

Posted ByBob Pisani
Traders work at the Goldman Sachs Group booth on the floor of the New York Stock Exchange.
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Traders work at the Goldman Sachs Group booth on the floor of the New York Stock Exchange.

Earnings anxiety picked up considerably three weeks ago with the Brexit vote. The concern was that large multinational corporations would use the "Brexit ate my homework" excuse to argue that there would be greater uncertainty in the second half of the year, and imply that earnings estimates would need to come down.

It's still early — only 11 percent of the S&P 500 has reported as of this morning — but three weeks after the Brexit vote there has been surprisingly little heard about an increase in global volatility. And that is one reason markets have held up so well.

And while second quarter earnings still appear to be negative, the numbers have been improving fast.

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  Friday, 15 Jul 2016 | 4:26 PM ET

Trader Talk: Here's what to watch for next week

Posted ByBob Pisani

The week that was doesn't get more bullish than this
The week that was doesn't get more bullish than this   

Come on, admit it: you didn't think we'd hit historic highs this week, did you?

I didn't. I expected post-Brexit caution would color the bank commentary (but it didn't happen), in-line economic stats (but Retail Sales and Industrial Production were well above consensus), and a continuing cautious IPO market (but the biggest IPO of the year opened up better than 25 percent, and 5 additional companies announced they would be going public soon).

The biggest surprise was the bank earnings commentary. They all beat, and while there was the usual concern about net interest income being soft to the flatter yield curve and low rates, the other trends were all positive.

Credit is improving. Loan growth is improving. And—most surprising of all—guidance was steady.

And there was surprisingly little commentary on Brexit, even from Citigroup.

What's next? We need to hear from companies outside the banking space.

I want to hear from big Technology companies like Microsoft, which reports on Tuesday and which gets 55 percent of its sales outside the U.S., including nearly 10 percent from mainland China. I want to hear about global electronics and cell phone sales trends from Intel on Wednesday, which gets 80 percent of its revenues outside the U.S., including 20 percent from mainland China.

And I want to hear from a big Industrial like General Electric, which reports on Friday, which gets 55 percent of revenues outside the U.S.

I wouldn't be surprised to see some kind of pull-back next week. We are seeing a modest pullback today in banks, which is very typical immediately after bank earnings season begins.

But if the commentary for stocks like Microsoft, Intel, and General Electric avoid the need for analysts to notably cut earnings expectations for the second half, I would expect any pullback to be rather short and shallow.

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  Friday, 15 Jul 2016 | 11:56 AM ET

As IPO market improves, will Spotify be the next big name to go public?

Posted ByBob Pisani
NYSE president Tom Farley (R) celebrates with Japan's Line Corp. CFO In Joon Hwang (2nd L) and Chief Global Officer Jungho Shin (middle) and Chief Strategy and Marketing Officer Jun Masuda (2nd R) during the company's IPO on the floor of the New York Stock Exchange, July 14, 2016.
Brendan McDermid | Reuters
NYSE president Tom Farley (R) celebrates with Japan's Line Corp. CFO In Joon Hwang (2nd L) and Chief Global Officer Jungho Shin (middle) and Chief Strategy and Marketing Officer Jun Masuda (2nd R) during the company's IPO on the floor of the New York Stock Exchange, July 14, 2016.

AdvancePierre Food Holdings capped a good week for the IPO markets. They priced 18.6 million shares at $21, the middle of the price talk of $20-$23, and opened at $23.50. That's a respectable opening for a food company, particularly following the success of US Foods in late May.

AdvancePierre is following a typical pattern for IPOs this year: investors want companies that are profitable or have a clear path to profitability. The company is indeed profitable, enough to pay a dividend of 2.6 percent at the midpoint of the price range.

It caps a strong week for IPOs, and it's about time. As I've said time and time again, the most important determinant of the health of the IPO market is the state of the overall stock market. With the S&P 500 at historic highs, the IPO business is running out of excuses.

Line's strong debut yesterday, up 27 percent, has a lot of IPO watchers finally declaring the long IPO winter over.

"The success of Line is sending a clear message that the IPO market is open for business," Kathleen Smith of Renaissance Capital told me.

They run the Renaissance IPO ETF (IPO), a basket of the 60 most recent IPOs, which is up 22 percent since the February 11th bottom, outperforming the S&P 500's roughly 17 percent gain.

It's not just Line--while there have been far fewer IPOs than normal this year (44), they have produced an average return of 18 percent, a respectable showing.

And the big-name IPOs have had surprisingly strong returns:

Recent IPOs:
(from initial price)

Twilio: 178 percent

Acacia Communications: 128 percent

BATS Global Markets: 36 percent

MGM Growth: 26 percent

Line: 23 percent

US Foods: 9 percent

SecureWorks: 6 percent

Line, MGM Growth, and US Foods are the three largest IPOs of the year, and the fact they have had such strong showings will encourage others to step forward quickly.

Smith noted that on Monday, five roadshows launched--more than we've seen in a single day all year.

Next week, we get Patheon, the world's largest contract drug manufacturer (it would be the fourth largest IPO this year), and the week after Talend, which helps companies standardize big data bases. Talend would be the second enterprise software company to go public after Twilio.

How about those Silicon Valley unicorns waiting to public? A lot of interest is focused on Spotify. They completed a $1 billion convertible debt offering at the end of March. The interest rate is 5 percent, but the rate increases 1 percent every six months until it reaches 10 percent or until they conduct an IPO.

That sounds like a pretty strong impetus to go public.

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  Wednesday, 13 Jul 2016 | 1:35 PM ET

FANG? STUB? Traders are grasping for new acronyms to describe rally

Posted ByBob Pisani

Retail damage at Pisani's market open
Retail damage at Pisani's market open   

First we had FANG (Facebook, Amazon, Netflix, Google). Then we (briefly) had STUB (Staples, Telecom, Utilities, Bonds).

But how to describe the surprising rally of the last week, when the U.S. has shrugged off post-Brexit worries and blasted to new highs?

An informal survey of traders this morning produced a series of suggestions, including several expressing disbelief, from MMTB (More Money Than Brains) to "The Everything Rally," kind of like an everything bagel, but for stocks.

There's something to the idea of an "everything" rally, but most traders identified three specific reasons driving the rally, and suggested acronyms to describe it:

1) FEBB: FOMC, ECB, BOJ, BOE. Central bank liquidity. The majority voted for central bank liquidity as the primary driver of the rally, and who can blame them? There's talk of "helicopter money" in Japan. Of bailouts of Italian banks. Of more bond buying by the ECB. Of rate cuts in the UK.

2) TINA: "there is no alternative" to stocks. Stocks are the better buy. This acronym, already old, has been much derided recently. There is always alternatives to stocks, like bonds, cash, and gold. This is true but not interesting. The marginal buyer looks at the low rates on Treasuries, and the comparatively high dividend yields on stocks, and rationally concludes that stocks are a better buy. Throw in the mostly improving U.S. economic data—which, however sluggish you may describe it, is better than the rest of the world--and you have the additional stimulus of foreign money pouring into our U.S. stock and bond markets.

3) FOMO: fear of missing out. Lagging performance: marginal buyers (hedge funds, active traders) are again surprised by the rally and need to catch up.

But my favorite—suggested by several baffled traders—was this one:

4) The Pokemon rally: all fluff, no fundamentals. This rally in stocks is not really being fueled by fundamentals, so nobody knows how long it will last.

Let me quickly address two other reasons that have been put forth for the market's advance:

1) Stock buybacks have greatly reduced the amount of stock available to trade. This is widely believed, but not true. In 2005, the "float" (the amount of stock freely available to trade) of the S&P 500 was 299.8 billion shares, according to S&P Capital IQ. Today, it's 298.2 billion shares, essentially unchanged. And that includes stock splits!

Huh? What happened to all those buybacks? It's important to distinguish between buybacks and share count reductions. Most buybacks do not result in share count reductions because the buying is offset by corporations issuing new stock, mostly in the form of options, to employees. Several companies—such as IBM and ExxonMobil—did buy back more stock than they issued and have notably reduced their share counts, but they are in the minority.

2) There's a lot fewer companies that are public than 20 years ago. There's some truth to this. According to S&P Capital IQ, In 1997, there were 5,316 companies in 1997 with a market capitalization above $50 million. Today' there's 4,370, a drop of almost 20 percent. But as I noted above the amount of stock available to trade for the largest companies haven't changed much.

What has changed dramatically is the price of stocks. The average S&P 500 stock was $51 in 1997, only $52 ten years later at the end of 2007, and $86 today. So every time we trade, we're moving around more money than a decade ago.

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  Tuesday, 12 Jul 2016 | 10:37 AM ET

The missing factor in new highs: Dividends

Posted ByBob Pisani

Pisani: Better news out of Europe   

The S&P 500 is at a new high, but it has been there all year, once you factor in dividend gains of roughly 2.2 percent.

The S&P hit record highs 10 times in 2016, once dividends are factored in, according to Dan Wiener, the President of Advisor Investment Management and editor of the Independent Advisor for Vanguard Investors.

How important are dividends? They account for half of the S&P's total returns over long periods of time, according to Wiener. Since 1988 the S&P 500 index is up about 720 percent while the S&P Total Return index has gained about 1,450 percent.

Think about that. Your actual returns on owning the S&P 500 are twice what the price index indicates since 1988, if you reinvested the dividend.

And ETFs that are dividend-weighted have been hitting new highs as well, as Luciano Siracusano, Executive Vice President and Chief Investment Strategist at Wisdom Tree, has pointed out to me.

All five of the Wisdom Tree U.S. dividend-weighted ETFs listed below made all-time highs yesterday:

WisdomTree Total Dividend: Exposure to the entire dividend-paying part of the US market

WisdomTree LargeCap Dividend: Large-cap

WisdomTree MidCap Dividend: Mid-cap

WisdomTree SmallCap Divdend: Small-cap

WisdomTree High Dividend: High dividend yielding

The DTD, for example, is tied to a dividend-weighted index that reflects the proportionate share of the aggregate dividends each component company is projected to pay in the coming year. The biggest holdings are ExxonMobil, AT&T, Verizon, Microsoft, and Johnson & Johnson. Current dividend is 3.06 percent.

By the way, the search for yield continues in the bond market as well. The largest corporate bond ETF —the iShares Investment Grade Corporate Bond ETF, took in $1.1 billion of new funds on Thursday. That's its biggest daily inflow ever and the largest ever recorded for a corporate bond ETF.

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  Monday, 11 Jul 2016 | 1:05 PM ET

Here's why ending the earnings recession is a tall order

Posted ByBob Pisani
Bull Bear markets
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Will the first quarter be the trough in earnings? Second quarter earnings season will again see negative growth for the S&P 500, the fifth consecutive negative quarter (the worst showing 2008-2009).

Earnings "bulls" are arguing that the direction of earnings is getting "less bad" and indeed will soon turn positive. The amount that earnings have gotten cut in the second quarter is not as bad as the first quarter, and the amount earnings have been cut in the third quarter appear to be less bad than the second quarter.

There's some truth to this: second quarter earnings are an improvement over the previous quarter (now expected to be down 5.4 percent, versus 7.3 percent for the first quarter, according to Factset), and third quarter may go positive, with fourth quarter projected to be up mid-single digits.

Bulls keep harping on this slow improvement and insist that the earnings "trough" was in the first quarter.

Truth is, earnings are still pretty lousy. Only four sectors are expected to report positive growth in the second quarter, according to S&P Capital IQ, led by Consumer Discretionary which is expected to be up over 9 percent.

That's not a big surprise. We know the consumer has been doing well.

Some industrials are expected to do well, with companies like General Electric and Boeing expected to post strong earnings. There's also some modest 3 percent growth likely from health care and utilities.

But that's the extent of the good news. Financials are going to be down almost 9 percent, and energy earnings are still awful, down 80 percent, though that is an improvement over the first quarter's down 106 percent.

This is all supposed to start turning around in the third quarter. As I mentioned, in the second quarter, only four sectors are expected to report positive earnings. In the third quarter, eight sectors are expected to be positive, with only energy (down 53 percent) and telecom (down 1.8 percent) expected to be in negative territory.

And the numbers get even stronger in the fourth quarter.

In other words, a lot has to go right for the earnings recession to end.

Bears insist that issues like higher labor costs and Brexit fallout (stronger dollar, lower rates) will derail hopes of the long-sought earnings expansion.

First, we have to have a perfect scenario where rates stop dropping and gently rise. It has to rise enough to help banks but not enough to bother other sectors.

Sound like a tall order to you? It does to me.

And what about the dollar? It rallied immediately on the Brexit news, and it's likely we will hear about that in the earnings commentary. When this happened at the end of last year, multinational U.S. companies took note because they were less competitive in the global marketplace.

So the parameters of the debate are pretty simple: where do you stand on the dollar and on interest rates? Much of this depends on where you stand on inflation. If you believe we are miles from the Fed's target of 2 percent inflation and will be for a long time, you're probably bearish on the dollar and expect bond yields to remain low.

Finally, there's oil. There is a very high correlation (0.93, according to S&P Capital IQ) between oil (West Texas Intermediate) and energy stocks. For the second half of the year, energy analysts are modelling in higher earnings based largely on: 1) production stability, and 2) steady and in some cases slightly higher oil prices. You can see this in the earnings estimates:

S&P 500 Energy Sector
Q1: $0.35 loss
Q2: $1.04
Q3: $2.27
Q4 $2.34
Source: S&P Capital IQ

Lower oil is not modeled into this scenario.

Get my point? A lot has to go right to end this earnings recession.

One final point — it's true that the stock market does not always correlate to earnings growth. It isn't now, largely because of outsized stimulus measures. But don't kid yourself — in the long run the trajectory of earnings has always mattered in the valuation of stocks.

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    A CNBC reporter since 1990, Bob Pisani covers Wall Street from the floor of the New York Stock Exchange.

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