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  Wednesday, 13 Aug 2008 | 4:09 PM ET

No Accurate Sense Of Supply Demand Fundamentals

Posted By: Bob Pisani

The big debate midday was on commodities: energy, metals, and grains were up 2%-4%. Energy, steel, coal and metal stocks rallied. Bulls were saying the commodity trade was back on, that demand destruction was yesterday's story.

That is highly unlikely; what is more likely is that this is a one or two-day opportunistic trade. Yes, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's comments at the close yesterday made an impact on energy traders. She said she was will to schedule a vote in the House of legislation to expand offshore drilling, if the bill addressed other energy issues. I know several traders that went long energy on her comments.

Still, don't kid yourself. Commodity stocks were at their lowest levels since February yesterday. With weakness in Europe, as well as the U.S., there is nothing fundamental to change the global slowdown story, the best you can do is get a brief rally that will attract new shorts to commodities. At most, you can say that nobody has an accurate sense of what the supply demand fundamentals are.

Elsewhere, the news flow on financials continued negative. Consider the problems with the following companies:

1) AIG: what are they going to do with all the toxic collateralized debt obligations (CDOs) they have? They also have credit default swaps that are also protecting other CDOs. Bernstein had an interesting suggestion today: write down the value of more subprime CDOs (currently at $0.64 on the dollar), sell part of the subprime portfolio at a reduced price, and raise $20 b in capital. That would go a long way toward reducing uncertainty. The big hope, of course, is that the actual losses among the portfolio they keep will not be as big as the accounting losses.

2) Lehman: had its numbers cut again by Guy Moszkowsi at Merrill Lynch (he also cut Goldman and Morgan Stanley) as "conditions have deteriorated significantly from July", in Lehman's case due to deterioration in mortgage related assets. Mike Mayo at Deutsche Bank also reduced estimates on Lehman.

Moszkowski reflected much of the frustration with financials in general when he wrote, "The tremendous volatility and unpredictability of asset prices has caused pain for both longs and shorts and, we believe, has caused many market participants to just give up for the time being..."

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  Wednesday, 13 Aug 2008 | 12:17 PM ET

Welcome To The Downside Of The ETF Revolution

Posted By: Bob Pisani

Sign of the times? Charles Biderman at TrimTabs tells me that Natural Resource Exchange Traded Funds (ETFs) have redeemed 5.8% of their assets ($2.1 billion) in the first 7 days of August.

What's up? The commodity selloff. Commodity ETFs like the PowerShares Deutsche Bank Commodity Fund (DBC) saw big inflows from the beginning of the year into July as everyone sought to get long energy, grain, and metals. Many professional traders use the ETFs to get long not just commodities, but the stocks underlying them as well.

Here's the problem: not only did commodities drop, but many traders long say, oil futures contracts, got repeated margin calls as oil went from $147 in July to $114 today. Some were forced to sell the ETFs they were long to cover their margin calls.

Remember how margin calls with oil contracts work: a single futures contract is 1,000 barrels. You can control a single contract for about $10,000. So if oil is $125 a barrel, you can control $125,000 worth of oil for just $10,000. Not bad.

As long as prices are stable or moving up, but if it drops just $10 a barrel, then your $10,000 investment is wiped out completely ($10 x 1,000 barrels = $10,000). Long before that, though, you will have received margin calls.

Welcome to the downside of the ETF revolution.

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  Wednesday, 13 Aug 2008 | 10:33 AM ET

NYSE's Insider Trading Surveillance Agreement: Why Now?

Posted By: Bob Pisani

The NYSEis announcing an agreement with nine U.S. exchanges to consolidate the surveillance and investigation of insider trading.

The agreement gives the NYSE the responsibility for investigating all insider trading in NYSE and Arca-listed stocks. A separate regulatory agency, the Financial Industry Regulatory Authority or FINRA, will be charged with all investigations of insider trading at the AmEx and the NASDAQ.

Why now? In the old days most of the trading in NYSE listed stocks was done at the NYSE, so surveillance was easy. That has changed. The proliferation of electronic trading has allowed more trading in NYSE-listed stocks outside the NYSE. That has made it easier for those seeking to circumvent insider trading laws, because trading done on many different exchanges has created gaps in the ability of the exchanges to monitor insider trading.

Is more insider trading occurring? Insider trading referrals from the NYSE to the SEC have jumped this year: if current levels continue, the NYSE will refer 180 cases to the SEC, a nearly 25 percent increase from 2007. 2007 also saw a nearly 25 percent increase in referrals from the previous year.

The exchanges participating are the AmEx, CBOE, Chicago Stock Exchange, International Securities Exchange, NASDAQ, National Stock Exchange, NYSE, NYSE Arca, and the Philadelphia Stock Exchange.

We'll have an exclusive interview with Rick Ketchum, head of NYSE Regulation, Inc, on The Call.

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  Wednesday, 13 Aug 2008 | 9:15 AM ET

Europe Facing Much Slower Growth

Posted By: Bob Pisani

Slower growth weighing on Europe. The Bank of England cut its GDP forecast and said inflation might hit 5 percent, well above the target rate.

Despite the inflation worries, the bet is still tilted toward the BoE cutting rates before they raise them. As a result, the Sterling is rapidly losing ground to the dollar. Japan's Q2 GDP contracted by 0.6 percent, though it was in line with expectations.

Retail sales were about in-line with expectations . Futures have weakened a bit in the last hour as crude has climbed a bit higher, and the dollar has come off its highs.


1) The Mortgage Bankers Association reported mortgage applications to purchase homes remained sluggish, as mortgage rates climbed to 6.57 percent, up from 6.41 percent the previous week.

Looking for that elusive bottom in housing. Toll Brothersreports preliminary Q3 revenues of $796 million vs. an estimate of $746 million. OK, that $796 m was down 34 percent from the same period last year, but it was above expectations. Signed contracts fell 27 percent, but the cancellation rate is showing some improvement (19.4 percent vs. 28.4 percent last quarter).

2) Deere was a bit light on top and bottom line , but more importantly guidance was below expectations. Material costs were higher than expected, and there was continuing North American construction and consumer weakness. Still, agricultural equipment demand remains strong. Down 8 percent pre-open.

3) Several retailers have given disappointing guidance this morning:

--Macy'sbeat if unusual items were excluded, but the guidance for the full year of $1.70-$1.85 was below their prior guidance of $1.85-$2.15.

--Liz Claiborne reported adjusted diluted EPS from continuing operations of $0.09, above expectations of break even, but again guidance for Q3 was below expectations: $0.37-42, est. $0.58 estimate. down 4 percent pre-open.

4) As reported yesterday, CVSbuying Longs Drugs for $71.50 a share in cash ($2.9 b), a 32 percent premium to the close yesterday.

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  Tuesday, 12 Aug 2008 | 4:22 PM ET

Financials (And Housing) Remain Center Of Economy's Problem

Posted By: Bob Pisani

We were reminded today that lower commodities and a higher dollar were not going to solve all the world's problems. What happened is that financials again came to the fore and reminded everyone that:

--financials (and housing) remain the center of the economy's problem.

--their problems won't be solved by a decline in commodities.

Late in the day, Richard Bove at Ladenburg Thalman issued a report critical of the entire philosophical foundation of JP Morgan. Mr. Bove called his piece "The Original Concept is Not Working." He cited two specific problems:

1) JP Morgan buying BankOne year ago was supposed to combine a consumer finance bank with a capital markets company which was going to be contra-cyclical: if one was weak, the other would do better, and vice-versa.

It didn't work that way. Both the consumer finance bank and the capital markets company have been declining in tandem.

2) Buying Bear Stearns may have "accentuated the negative impact of the capital market downturn"

Combine this with negative comments from Deutsche Bank and Oppenheimer on Goldman, as well as a Bloomberg interview with value fund manager Michael Price where he state that he is still short Citi and Wachovia, and you have all the makings for a day when financials overwhelm the market.

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  Tuesday, 12 Aug 2008 | 12:36 PM ET

Traders Are 'Renters' Right Now

Posted By: Bob Pisani

If the trading seems a bit tentative and confusing, you're on the right track. And don't blame it on traders on vacation; there's plenty of that, but there's a reason for the market's uncertainty.

Traders are in a "Don't fall in love with anything" phase right now -- is the financial rally over? Is the decline in materials over for the moment? Has big energy finally bottomed? There aren't strong convictions on these major issues.

That's why you get a day like today:

-- Materials are clearly oversold and are up today, but most traders are only playing them for a 1-2 day bounce, so Potash , Mosaic , Freeport McMoRan, Alcoa are all up in a notable downtrend.

-- Exxon, Chevron, BP , and all the other big energy names have stopped dropping, but neither their trading volumes nor their news flow suggest a strong reason to buy;

-- Financials continue to have negative headlines, and have been mostly sideways for the last 2 weeks.

Does this sound cynical? One trader this morning -- a momentum trader -- noted to me that the stock market has become a rental market, meaning it's not clear how long you can own anything.

In this environment, is it any wonder that the talk is more technical in nature, more about Stochastics and Relative Strength than about Price-to-Book? When you can get 20-25 percent moves in a stock in a single week, how can you not become a short-term trader?

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  Tuesday, 12 Aug 2008 | 9:37 AM ET

Commodities and Inflation in Slow Global Economy

Posted By: Bob Pisani

Commodities and inflation remain the main story, and while stocks are well off their July lows, the advance remains tentative due to concerns about a slower global economy.

Oil was down as Russia announced it was halting its offensive in Georgia early this morning, but has since rebounded. The Russian stock market, which hit a new low this morning, has rebounded and is now up 3 percent.

Same with gold, which hit a 7-month low intraday, then rebounded. Copper also hit a 6-month low. The Goldman Sachs Commodity Index entered bear market territory, 20 percent off its July high, last week.

Commodity-related stocks like BHP Billington , and shipping company Frontline are all trading down this morning.

Inflation in the U.K. rose 4.4 percent from a year earlier, twice expectations. Still, economic conditions in the U.K. are deteriorating: home prices and retail sales have been falling, while oil and food costs have been rising. Bottom line: it's going to be tough to raise rates in this environment; the bet is that the next move in London will be lower rates, not higher.

Similar situation in France, where French CPI rose 4% year-over-year; Japanese PPI also rose more than expected.


1) UBS posted a worse than expected loss of about $330 million for the second quarter, but the more important news is the splitting off its investment banking business from its more-profitable wealth management businesss--many think this is the first phase of selling off the business entirely.

2) JP Morgan incurred losses of about $1.5 b since July as credit spreads have widened on mortgage-backed securities.

3) Goldman Sachs downgraded at Deutsche Bank , saying the firm's high exposure to equities would result in weaker than expected earnings, estimates were also cut by Meredith Whitney at Oppenheimer. The brokers have seen very little in the way of a rally since the July botttom.

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  Monday, 11 Aug 2008 | 12:56 PM ET

Why Small Caps Are "Shining"

Posted By: Bob Pisani

This post is from CNBC producer Robert Hum.

Many of the trends seen last week continue at the midway point of today’s trading session.

Stocks have moved to their highs of the day as the dollar rally/commodity drop continues. Airlines and consumer discretionary stocks lead the way, benefiting from oil falling over $2, to under $113.

On the flip side, the declining commodity prices are moving energy and material stocks sharply lower. Gold stocks headline this weakness, posting a 6 percent decline today. In fact, they have now been down three days in a row, posting a 12% decline during that time.

Once again, the small cap Russell 2000 index is shining. Its 2 percent gain is outperforming the 1 percent gains that the other major indices are seeing. Recall that the dollar strength generally hurts the larger U.S. multinational companies more as their exports become more expensive overseas. With a more U.S.-centric focus, the small cap companies listed on the Russell 2000, however, typically don’t have this international exposure and are less affected by a rally in the dollar.

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  Monday, 11 Aug 2008 | 9:30 AM ET

Russian, Chinese Stocks Look Even Weaker

Posted By: Bob Pisani

Bob Pisani has the day off. This post is from his producer, Robert Hum.

U.S. stock futures point towards a flat open this morning, following the market’s best week since April. The dollar index is a bit higher this morning, while commodities are slightly lower. The dollar index has been up for six straight days, prior to today.

Keep an eye on more weakness in Russian and Chinese stocks today. Over the weekend, tensions escalated between Georgia and Russia, as fighting continued. In China, the Shanghai composite hit new lows again, falling 5 percent as inflation worries remain in focus. The country’s PPI came in with a greater-than-expected gain of 10 percent from a year ago. China’s benchmark index is now down more than 9 percent over the past two trading days.


Waste Managementraised its all-cash offer for Republic Servicesto $37 per share, a 9 percent increase from its prior $34 per share bid. Republic Services had previously spurned the initial offer as it remained committed to its own $6.2 billion offer to acquire rival Allied Waste.

After the close on Friday, Berkshire Hathawayreported Q2 earnings fell 7.6% on weak insurance results. Insurance underwriting operating earnings fell 43%. Despite the weakness, earnings still beat analysts’ estimates.

The president of UPS’s international business shot down reports that the company was weighing a bid for the Dutch package delivery company TNT. The executive told Reuters that such an acquisition would be “something that devalues our shares.” However, others believe acquiring TNT would provide UPS with a greater presence in the European and Asian markets

Diebold announced preliminary Q2 results that beat analysts’ estimates. It saw strong demand for its ATMs and raised its full-year guidance. Diebold’s stock is up 3 percent pre-open.

Finally, FBR lowered its price target for Fannie Mae, as it believes the company would need to raise $5-$10 billion in additional capital.

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  Friday, 8 Aug 2008 | 4:14 PM ET

Winners And Losers For The Week

Posted By: Bob Pisani

For the week, the Dow up 3.6%, Transports up 5.4%, S&P up 2.9%, NASDAQ up 4.5%. Best week for all four since April.

Many cross-currents:

--lower commodities help, but concerns about slower global growth persist

Winners this week:

--autos, retailers, airlines


--energy, materials

Things have changed. Consider that one month ago:

--oil was at $145
--commodity stocks were slowly coming off historic highs
--the dollar was near historic lows against the euro
--financials were at their lowest levels in over 10 years

All of these conditions have now reversed:

--oil is 21 percent off its high
--commodity and energy stocks are down more than 20 percent on average
--the dollar is at 6-month highs
--financials are off their lows

Financials may be off their lows, but they are not outperforming. What is? Of big cap stocks, the big winners this week were Consumer dscretionary stocks (retailers and autos), as well as techs. Consumer discretionary are benefiting from lower oil, but why techs? Sector rotation: with financials still a mess, energy a tough call, techs are a relatively safe rotation, but even here the strong dollar makes it tougher for firms like Hewlett-Packard.

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