Sitting at the corner a large conference room table in January of 2013, it felt like a conversation with an average, 74-year-old man from Queens.

It wasn't, of course. The conference room was inside the Federal Correctional Institution in Butner, North Carolina. And the friendly old man telling me about his dailylife, what books he was reading and so on was none other than the greatest con artist of all time, Bernie Madoff.