WHEN: Today, Tuesday, October 28th at 4:30PM ET
WHERE: CNBC's "Closing Bell with Maria Bartiromo"
Following is the unofficial transcript of a CNBC EXCLUSIVE interview with Republican Presidential Candidate Sen. John McCain and Vice Presidential Candidate Gov. Sarah Palin today on CNBC's "Closing Bell with Maria Bartiromo."
All references must be sourced to CNBC.
BARTIROMO: On the issue of redistribution of wealth, which Obama talked about as far back as 2001 in an interview, what is wrong with the redistribution of wealth? How are you going to help the people on the bottom of the income scale?
Sen. McCAIN: Well, obviously that's been tried. That is a bold left-wing
liberal view of how you help people in--they've tried it in other countries.
America--look, you don't take money from one group and give it to another.
You get--you let people have the ability to accumulate wealth, create jobs,
create opportunities, create all the things that a free society, a free
enterprise system. Of course we have an obligation. We have Social Security,
we have Medicare, we have unemployment insurance. We have all of those
things. But to somehow say that we're going to take money because "Joe the
Plumber" reaches a certain income level, now we're going to take that money
from him and give it to somebody else, that's a fundamental contradiction to
what's made this country the strongest and greatest nation in the world. It's
a fundamental contradiction, and the American people are beginning to figure
Gov. PALIN: So...
BARTIROMO: But we know that there's an income gap.
Gov. PALIN: But instead of taking more from our families and our small
businesses, that's creating this atmosphere where we cannot create jobs,
hiring more people, not if we're taking more from our businesses. Instead of
doing that and then spreading that income according to a politician's
priorities, let's do what John McCain has been saying, let's spread
opportunity so that people like "Joe the Plumber" and others can create more
jobs, they can hire more people. Because they'll be able to reinvest their
hard earned money according to their priorities. We can be compassionate and
we can be generous with others without government mandating where those
dollars should go to. (Unintelligible)...minimum wage...
Sen. McCAIN: One additional point. One of the reasons for that inequality
you pointed out, of course, one of the major reasons is because the rising
cost of health care. Fewer and fewer lower income Americans are able to
afford it, and small businesses. We want to make health insurance and health
care affordable and available in America. That's a key item.
BARTIROMO: What about a minimum wage increase? Would you consider it?
Sen. McCAIN: As long as we take care of small businesses. Small businesses
right now, I see them everyday, they say you increase the minimum wage, I lay
off workers. Is that what we want to do right now? Of course not. Of course
we don't want to have small--we--I'm insulting your intelligence by reminding
you, we've lost over 700,000 jobs already, OK? Small businesses created over
300,000 jobs. Who we going to depend on, who do we want not to lay off
Gov. PALIN: So we...
BARTIROMO: Are you in favor of a stimulus package? Are you in favor of an
additional stimulus program?
Sen. McCAIN: Look, a--I would--I will do anything that we think would be
necessary to help the economy. We just passed a massive highway bill, as you
know, which is going to create jobs in the infrastructure. If we have a--and
the last thing we need is to have another appropriations bill that's loaded up
with pork barrel earmark projects and provisions such as a car check or other
stuff that they will try to add onto it. I'd like--I want to have a look at
it first. One of the reasons we're in this ditch is because out of control
spending. We're not going to have any more pork barrel projects while I'm
president of the United States, and that out of control spending is what has
been one of the major factors in the economic crisis that we're in today.
BARTIROMO: Let me ask you about the Treasury's most recent plan. You said
you're disappointed by the--by the track that this country has taken so far.
Is that--is that saying that you do not approve of Paulson's plan to invest in
the banks? Are you saying?
Sen. McCAIN: Look, I'm not opposed that at all. I think that we have to do
what we have to do. What is first priority, and he should have told the
American people right away, to keep people in their homes. That's our first
priority. Some of these banks that we're bailing out are co-conspirators, OK?
And the second thing is we want people held accountable. People out there at
our town hall meetings are angry. They're not--they're not upset, they're
angry, and they want people held accountable both in Washington and on Wall
BARTIROMO: Let me ask you about this plan. The Treasury's investing in banks
now. Some people wonder if the government's going to invest in the
automakers, in other industries. How worried are you about going down this
path, in some cases nationalization; government owning 80 percent of AIG?
Sen. McCAIN: I'm very worried about it. I know these are extraordinary
times, and I want us out of the banking business as quickly as possible.
BARTIROMO: How do you rein in big government?
Sen. McCAIN: Well, one is the spending. Spending is what makes government
bigger. It's spending that gets it out of control. We Republicans presided
over the largest increase in the size of government in history. You're going
to increase the size of government, you're going to increase spending and
sooner or later you're going to have to increase taxes. Get the spending
under control, rein in the size of government and get some fiscal
accountability back in the Congress of the United States.
Gov. PALIN: And look what the big spenders in Congress have done that John
McCain has been fighting all these years. They have now incurred a $10
trillion debt that we're expected to hand to our children to pay off for us.
That's not right, it's not fair, and on our watch that will not happen. And
that's why John talks about imposing a spending freeze that will--that will
hit all but the most vital functions of government: the worker retraining,
the taking care of our veterans. He's got a list of those that are off the
table. But we have got to quit digging ourselves in this--in this hole, or
forever we're going to be in this world of hurt in our--in our economy.
Again, it's not right, it's not fair, it's totally against the fundamentals of
what we believe in, and that is government being reined in, allowing the
private sector, our families, to make decisions for themselves and to be able
to provide that opportunity equally to all.
BARTIROMO: Governor Palin, give me your sense...
Sen. McCAIN: Work in New York City...
BARTIROMO: ...of Ted Stevens. We've got, obviously, one of the big stories
of the day.
Gov. PALIN: Yeah, yeah. Ted Stevens, you know, a sad day for Alaska
yesterday when he was found guilty of seven felonies. But--and now he needs
to do the right thing, and the right thing is--as he's proclaiming his
innocence and proclaiming, too, that he will go through the appellate process,
OK, then he needs to step aside and allow our state to elect someone who will
be supportive of those ideals of America: the free enterprise, the missions
that we're on, to win the war, those things that have got to take place in
order to progress this country. Ted Stevens has got to play a very
statesmanlike role in this now.
BARTIROMO: You've asked him to step down.
Sen. McCAIN: He should, yes. Right away.
Again, back on the spending thing, so important. The mayor of the city where
you work said they're going to freeze spending. If New York City, which is
not known for its, you know, conservatism, in many respects, is going to be
able to freeze spending and make spending cuts, across the board cuts, we in
Washington should be able to do that, too.
Gov. PALIN: Right. And why we have to do it, Maria, also, is that will
provide us the opportunity to get in there into every agency and department
and service that's being rendered today to make sure that we're providing
services efficiently. And I guarantee you, every place we look we will be
able to find places where we can create more efficiencies and save the
BARTIROMO: Some people worry about one party dominating the White House and
the House and Senate, but people are frustrated after the last eight years of
economics, among others. How will you convince the American people that a
divided government makes sense?
Sen. McCAIN: Listen to what they're saying. They're going to increase
spending, they're going to raise taxes. Congressman Barney Frank, powerful
member of Congress, said we're going to go and find those rich people and tax
them. We're going to increase spending. And then, incredibly, he said he's
going to cut defense. They're going to cut defense spending by one-quarter
when we're in two wars and we need to expand the size of our military,
particularly manpowerwise. Look, this is--this is--at least we got a sneak
preview of Barney Frank and others as to what's in store for us.
BARTIROMO: How's the partnership going? Governor Palin, when I spoke with
you in August, you weren't sure if you were on anybody's short list, and then
two days later you get the call.
Gov. PALIN: Yeah.
BARTIROMO: How did it all come down?
Gov. PALIN: It came down the way it was supposed to, and it's all good. And
it is very good, the partnership is very good. And John McCain, he is a true
leader, and a true leader in his campaign in unifying and creating this
cohesiveness that we need in order to get the message out there, allowing
voters to know the stark contrast between these two tickets. And it's a world
of difference what voters will have in front of them on November 4th. To
understand that our ticket supports policies that will create jobs and get the
economy back on the right track and win the war, as opposed to a ticket that
supports policies that will kill jobs and will harm our economy.
Sen. McCAIN: Can I just say, I couldn't be happier. I couldn't be happier.
The enthusiasm, the support, the people who come to--and look, here's two
mavericks. Here's two mavericks. Did anybody expect us to agree--to agree on
every issue? I think we'd be pretty dull--we--on ANWR, we continue a
discussion about that. We're not going to agree on every issue, but that's
the fun of our relationship. And I am so--I can't tell you the excitement
that she has generated and the role model she is. I couldn't be happier.
BARTIROMO: What's going to be your one, two or three things on the agenda, if
you win, in January?
Sen. McCAIN: Well, of course, national security. That's always every
president's first obligation, to make sure our nation is safe and we're
addressing our national security concern. The second thing really is the most
important thing that...(unintelligible)...restore trust and confidence.
Americans are angry, they're worried, they have no trust, they have no
confidence--with good reason--in their government. And that means a plan, an
economic plan to get America's economy out of the ditch and go on again.
BARTIROMO: Senator McCain, Governor Palin, good to have you on the program.
Thanks very much.
Gov. PALIN: Thanks, Maria.
Sen. McCAIN: Thank you.
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