WHEN: Today, Thursday, November 12th at 9PM & 12AM ET
WHERE: CNBC's "Warren Buffett and Bill Gates: Keeping America Great"
Following are excerpts from the unofficial transcript of a CNBC EXCLUSIVE town hall interview with CNBC's Becky Quick and Warren Buffett and Bill Gates from Columbia Business School in New York City.
CNBC's "Warren Buffett and Bill Gates: Keeping America Great" premieres tonight, Thursday, November 12th at 9PM & 12AM ET on CNBC.
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Gates on Capitalism
This country still has the best universities, the best science and we're going to tune our system of capitalism. the idea that you have a lot of short term loans, covering long term needs, the amount of leverage that was there. There are definitely some lessons, but the fundamentals of the system, a marketplace driven system where we invest in education, in a great infrastructure for the long term, that's continued.
Buffett on Goldman Sachs
I had more confidence in both the numbers and the management of Goldman Sachs, then any other major firm on Wall Street at the time. Now, there could've been things happen that would've made Goldman Sachs be next in line. Lloyd Blankfein has said, 'we're 30 seconds behind Morgan Stanley' This is covered very well in a book by Andrew Ross Sorkin, but I did not think the system was going to go under. I felt Washington in the end would do the right things and I felt if they did the right thing, Goldman Sachs.. I thought it was the best-run operation. I thought it's figures were the most solid and I thought they would prosper the most in the future ahead
Buffett on Future
Going forward, it's a very tricky thing to figure out how to present excessive leverage, how to prevent off balance sheet arrangements from getting in trouble, or for just having people at the top of major institutions that run risks that they shouldn't be running. We're wrestling with that right now. There should be more downside to the head of any institution that has to go to the federal government to be saved for reasons of the greater society and so far we've been better at carrots and sticks in rewarding CEO's at the top, but I think some more sticks are called for.
Gates on the Next Gates
Industries do have different paces of innovation and so the IT industry, driven by the magic of software, the magic of the optic fiber, magic of the chip, which doubles in power every couple years. It's been the industry that not only has been the most exciting, its also changed the rules for many other industries. You know the idea of information being available, what the on line world is like. That's incredible. I'd say there are a few other industries that will compete for being exciting for the decades ahead. The energy business, some approach will provide cheaper energy, that's environmentally friendly and there's a lot of science, a lot of business, it's a global thing. They'll be some great careers there. Medicine, you know, we haven't solved parkinson's or alzheimers or about 20 diseases of these poor countries and yet, we can be sure that we're on track to do that. And so those 3 industries, I think, you would do great in.
Buffett on Burlington Northern
We start out with a premise and I can't think of a more sound premise, that there will be more people in this country 10, 20, 30 years form now. They'll be moving more and more goods back and forth to each other and you have the most environmentally friendly and the most cost efficient way of doing that on the railroads. The Burlington Northern last year moved, on average, it moved a ton of freight 470 miles on 1 gallon of diesel. You know that is far far more efficient than what takes place over the highways. You have a situation where overall they use a third less fuel, they put far less pollutants into the atmosphere then trucks will. One train will supplant 280 trucks or so on the road. So, the rails are in tune with the future and there's, I like the west, I like the 30 some thousand miles that Burlington has and if this country has a poor future rails have a poor future and I'm willing to bet a lot of money that 34 billion to be specific, that 10 years from now, 20 years from now, 50 years from now, there'll be more and more moved by rail and it will be better for the country and it will be better for the shareholders at Burlington Northern.
Gates on Apple
Apple's in a bit of a different business where they make the hardware and software together. But when Steve was coming back to Apple, which was actually through an acquisition of NEXT that he ran. Apple was in very tough shape. In fact, most likely it wasn't going to survive and he brought a team, he brought in inspiration about great products and design that's made apple back into being an incredible force in doing good things and it's great to have competitors like that. We write software for Apple, Microsoft does, they compete with Apple. But he, of all the leaders in the industry that I've worked with, he showed more inspiration, and he saved the company.
Gates on Google
They're hiring a lot of smart people. They got into the lead position in search, which is incredibly profitable, to be number one in that. They may get a little competition as time goes forward, but they're a great example of what can happen. You know, 2 young guys who got together, pursued an idea and created a success that's absolutely gigantic and we all, uh, hopefully use search engines, hopefully a variety, and we benefit from that.
Buffett on Gates
What I really most admire about Bill is the view he has about what he should do with the wealth he's accumulated. I mean as he said he was very lucky, he was born in the right country at the right time, he the right wiring and all of that sort of thing, but in the end he knows he's the beneficiary of a terrific society and not everybody gets the long straws, like he and I did, so he is, and he has this view that every human life worldwide is the equivalent of every other human life and he's backing it up, not only with money but he's backing it up with his time. And his wife Melinda is backing it up with her time, and they are really going to spend the last half of their lives or so using both money, talent, energy, imagination, all to improving the lives of six and a half billion people around the world and that's what I admire the most.
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