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Robert Shiller to bulls: 'Don’t expect miracles'

As the S&P 500 approaches a fresh all-time high, what's a timid investor to do? If you're still on the sidelines, economist Robert Shiller thinks that you can still buy in to the market. He would just advise you to take it easy on the bullish enthusiasm.

"I'm not really saying don't invest in stocks," the Yale economist said Thursday on CNBC's "Futures Now." But "don't expect miracles."

After all, stocks might be more expensive that you think. The commonly used 12-month trailing price-to-earnings ratio shows that the market is currently valued at about 19 times earnings—which is only slightly higher than the historical average of 15. But Shiller's cyclically adjusted price-to-earnings ratio (or CAPE) casts things in a different light. CAPE compares the price of the market to inflation-adjusted returns from the prior 10 years, and shows that the market is now valued at 24 times earnings. That is well above CAPE's average reading of 16, and according to Shiller, that means that stocks are now somewhat expensive.

The current reading is "high by historical standards, but it's not super-high," Shiller said. "I'd say it's suggesting—based on historical evidence—real returns of something like 3 percent a year for the next decade."

Shiller says CAPE is "a better measure of price earnings, and it predicts the stock market better than the traditional" P/E ratio. But his metric has recently come under some fire.

In an August piece in the Financial Times ("Don't put faith in Cape crusaders"), Wharton professor of finance Jeremy Siegel wrote: "I believe the CAPE ratio's overly pessimistic predictions are based on biased earnings data. Changes in the accounting standards in the 1990s forced companies to charge large write-offs when assets they hold fall in price, but when assets rise in price they do not boost earnings until that asset is sold."

Instead of using S&P earnings data, Siegel suggests using the after-tax profits reflected in the government's national income and product accounts (NIPA) data. "When NIPA products are substituted for S&P reported earnings in the Cape model, the current market shows no overvaluation," Siegel writes.

In many ways this is a complicated academic argument, but the economists' dueling models have serious ramifications for the average investor. Shiller's belief that the market is relatively expensive leads him to predict that stocks won't move much higher. On the other hand, Siegel's call that stocks are reasonably priced supports bullish calls like the one he made on Aug. 6 on "Futures Now," when he argued that the Dow could easily hit 18,000 by the end of 2014.

(Read more: Siegel: Keep buying—you 'can't lose')

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Source: World Economic Forum
Robert Shiller

So how does Shiller respond to Siegel's charge?

"He's a smart guy, he makes good points. He tends to be a little bullish, I think. But the measure that he uses is going quite far from traditional price-to-[earnings ratios]. He is proposing a national income and product account definition of earnings, rather than earnings that correspond to the stocks in the S&P 500," Shiller said Thursday. "And even if you take that, suppose we accept that, then the market is still not low-priced!"

While noting that "I'm going to read his paper sympathetically," Shiller said he would "stick with my original price-to-earnings ratio, which we call CAPE."

And since he still believes that stocks are pricey, Shiller is skeptical of Siegel's call for Dow 18,000.

"I've taken Jeremy's investment advice many times in the past, but not always. And nobody knows what the market's going to do," Shiller said.

He sees the Dow ending 2014 "just 1 percent higher than it is now, 2 percent higher—something like that."

(Read more: Gartman admits he got gold and stocks all wrong)

Of course, some would argue that economic models can never tell us very much about where the market is going.

In assessing where stocks are headed, "economists don't know better than anyone else, and they don't even think they're better than anybody else," said Duke philosophy professor Alex Rosenberg (no relation to the author).

"There's a famous story about Louis Armstrong," Rosenberg added. "He was asked where he thought jazz was going, and he said, 'If I knew, I'd be there already!'"


—By CNBC's Alex Rosenberg. Follow him on Twitter: @C NBCAlex.

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