So back to the story that's "kind of graphic and gross."
Like many women in their 50s — especially in tech — Tucker saw harassment as part of the job. "Everybody knew that there were people that you didn't get into an elevator with, that there were people that, once they'd had a few drinks, they were going to be very handsy," she says.
One moment, however, stands out.
She was working as an executive at another company, and she was on a business trip. One evening, she and a female co-worker had a couple of drinks, "but not too much." Tucker says they were sitting on a couch in their hotel lobby when, "The president of the company at the time comes and sits down between us, runs his hand up our legs, up underneath our skirts and says, 'I've done so much for you girls, what are you going to do for me?'"
Tucker said she and her coworker managed to push themselves away — "it was like octopus hands" — and left.
"Here's the crazy thing. Neither one of us reported it," says Tucker.
However, the man had apparently been very aggressive with several other women that same evening, and one of those women did report him. The company started an investigation "that took them something like two years." By the time it was over, the president had already left the company to become CEO at a start-up, and Tucker had left to start BlackLine.
What about the woman who filed the report? "She sat in a corner until I hired her," says Tucker.
Tucker believes not a lot has changed...yet. "I think that there's a lot of noise," she says. "I have yet to see that noise turn into sustainable change."
Women who report abuse still become targets, and Tucker has some advice: Avoid trouble, especially after hours, but if trouble finds you, speak up. "Be vocal, don't be emotional," she advises. "Suit up, and go to work."
She admits that, despite BlackLine's strict policies on harassment and discrimination, "I would not say that we have a 100 percent track record, just to be brutally honest, because you hire people, and sometimes they act like pigs, and it takes a little while for that behavior to catch up with them." She paused. "It does catch up with them eventually."