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YouTube CEO says 'sorry,' but defends hosting videos with homophobic slurs

Dylan Byers, David Ingram
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Susan Wojicki CEO of YouTube speaking at the 2019 Code Conference on June 10th, 2019 in Scottsdale, Arizona.
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SCOTTSDALE, Arizona — YouTube's chief executive apologized on Monday for the hurt she said is caused by videos with anti-gay slurs, but said the company was right to let the videos remain on its service.

CEO Susan Wojcicki, in an on-stage interview at the tech-focused Code Conference in Scottsdale, Arizona, spoke publicly for the first time since YouTube last week imposed a stricter ban on hate speech, including videos that promote ideas of racial superiority.

But rather than being lauded for tackling Nazism, Wojcicki was met with a barrage of questions about videos she has decided to leave up. The questions were prompted by journalist Carlos Maza launching a campaign last month to bring attention to homophobic abuse and harassment he says he received from a conservative YouTube personality.

Maza said that he has been the subject of targeted harassment for years that included both anti-gay and anti-Mexican slurs. Several activists are lobbying to ban YouTube's parent company, Google, from the San Francisco Pride march this month over what they see as the service's inaction.

"I know the decision we made was very hurtful to the LGBTQ community," Wojcicki said. "That was not our intention at all. We're really sorry about that."

But, she added, YouTube looked at the videos in question, "and in the end, we decided it was not violative of our policy."

"I do agree this was the right decision," she said.

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Wojcicki, a high-profile Silicon Valley executive, faced a skeptical crowd at the annual conference for tech and media professionals. When Ina Fried, a journalist from Axios, suggested during a question-and-answer period that Wojcicki wasn't actually sorry, the audience greeted the question with applause.

YouTube, like Facebook and other online services that rely on users for content, is facing growing scrutiny over material that shows violence, promotes hatred or is objectionable in other ways. The service's rulebook bans harassment, for example, but only when it is "malicious."

Wojcicki said that YouTube has a "high bar" for what counts as malicious material, and that the service faced a challenge in being consistent. She said the same rules needed to apply across the board, including to late-night comedy shows or rap music videos.

Last week, YouTube said it would begin banning videos promoting Nazi ideology and those denying "well-documented violent events" such as the Holocaust or the Sandy Hook massacre.

The service is the biggest of its kind, with users uploading more than 500 hours of video per minute on average.

Interviewer Peter Kafka, senior correspondent for digital tech website Recode, which hosted the conference, pressed Wojcicki on whether she was sorry, or just sorry that people expressed offense. Wojcicki apologized again.

"I'm really personally very sorry. It was not our intent," she said. "YouTube has always been a home of so many LGBTQ creators."

"As a company we really want to support this community, but from a policy standpoint we need to be consistent," she added. "We don't just want to be knee-jerk."

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